1 00:00:05,690 --> 00:00:02,210 you you had a pretty interesting 2 00:00:07,690 --> 00:00:05,700 incident in one of your books yes uh a 3 00:00:10,790 --> 00:00:07,700 case of a man and woman being 4 00:00:12,350 --> 00:00:10,800 involuntarily abducted in the car car 5 00:00:14,690 --> 00:00:12,360 and all taking the board in alien 6 00:00:17,689 --> 00:00:14,700 spacecraft they were alone when they 7 00:00:20,870 --> 00:00:17,699 when their car was I was about 11 45 at 8 00:00:24,170 --> 00:00:20,880 night near Matthias Barbosa in Ministry 9 00:00:27,769 --> 00:00:24,180 state in Brazil and it was just short of 10 00:00:30,710 --> 00:00:27,779 midnight they had stopped for a snack 11 00:00:33,770 --> 00:00:30,720 back down the road is why they they were 12 00:00:37,670 --> 00:00:33,780 were pretty well aware of the time that 13 00:00:38,810 --> 00:00:37,680 this happened and they uh pulled off the 14 00:00:42,770 --> 00:00:38,820 side of the road because they were 15 00:00:46,250 --> 00:00:42,780 drowsy and uh a light bloomed on above 16 00:00:47,690 --> 00:00:46,260 them a bright beam of white light and as 17 00:00:49,610 --> 00:00:47,700 they were trying to see through the 18 00:00:51,529 --> 00:00:49,620 windshield what this light was coming 19 00:00:53,690 --> 00:00:51,539 from there was a horse the car and was 20 00:00:56,270 --> 00:00:53,700 all everything was sucked the bar that 21 00:00:57,830 --> 00:00:56,280 fast in in this beam of light went right 22 00:01:00,350 --> 00:00:57,840 through the bottom of the craft and a 23 00:01:04,369 --> 00:01:00,360 florist laid undrick and it's inside 24 00:01:07,010 --> 00:01:04,379 just like that just like that now it's 25 00:01:09,530 --> 00:01:07,020 interesting and uh about about this uh 26 00:01:11,330 --> 00:01:09,540 the people the beings that uh actually 27 00:01:12,649 --> 00:01:11,340 explain to these people where they're 28 00:01:14,810 --> 00:01:12,659 from and the whole I mean they were 29 00:01:17,270 --> 00:01:14,820 pretty open really yes they were they 30 00:01:20,810 --> 00:01:17,280 told them that uh they came from a 31 00:01:24,350 --> 00:01:20,820 planet they called clermer the uh they 32 00:01:27,050 --> 00:01:24,360 said that uh it was not too far from our 33 00:01:31,090 --> 00:01:27,060 sun in our part of the Galaxy and they 34 00:01:33,490 --> 00:01:31,100 showed the the two abductees on a 35 00:01:37,130 --> 00:01:33,500 hemispherical map on a viewing screen 36 00:01:40,090 --> 00:01:37,140 they showed them their son and our son 37 00:01:43,789 --> 00:01:40,100 in relationship to it and other 38 00:01:46,789 --> 00:01:43,799 Associated sons that had uh intelligent 39 00:01:48,410 --> 00:01:46,799 life on them now actually uh on the 40 00:01:51,609 --> 00:01:48,420 cover of your book if I'm not mistaken 41 00:01:55,310 --> 00:01:51,619 that's there that that is a reproduction 42 00:01:58,010 --> 00:01:55,320 of an alien map that was produced by the 43 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,020 machine itself they put the the woman 44 00:02:01,910 --> 00:02:00,240 said can I can I trace a copy of that he 45 00:02:04,010 --> 00:02:01,920 said I'll make you a copy and he pushed 46 00:02:05,389 --> 00:02:04,020 the button and went back someplace and 47 00:02:07,310 --> 00:02:05,399 came out with a sheet of paper in his 48 00:02:08,089 --> 00:02:07,320 hand with the scene printed on it in 49 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:08,099 color 50 00:02:12,410 --> 00:02:10,319 yeah one of the things that uh you 51 00:02:14,990 --> 00:02:12,420 mentioned yesterday was the fact that 52 00:02:17,270 --> 00:02:15,000 they spoke perfect Portuguese that's 53 00:02:19,130 --> 00:02:17,280 right they had their own language but 54 00:02:23,210 --> 00:02:19,140 they when they addressed the couple they 55 00:02:29,570 --> 00:02:26,570 um the these these beings from the this 56 00:02:32,690 --> 00:02:29,580 planet uh they were Brown is that right 57 00:02:36,410 --> 00:02:32,700 brown skin yes and they had interesting 58 00:02:39,050 --> 00:02:36,420 eyes they had uh green eyes they are the 59 00:02:41,270 --> 00:02:39,060 iris part of the eye was green and they 60 00:02:43,850 --> 00:02:41,280 otherwise had black hair and the brown 61 00:02:45,830 --> 00:02:43,860 skin but green eyes so that would if you 62 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:45,840 paid a lot of attention that might uh 63 00:02:51,229 --> 00:02:48,480 stand out but you you mentioned in in 64 00:02:52,910 --> 00:02:51,239 your book I remember the fact that on 65 00:02:56,830 --> 00:02:52,920 one of the later encounters which we'll 66 00:02:59,150 --> 00:02:56,840 get into the the lady uh I believe uh 67 00:03:00,350 --> 00:02:59,160 well maybe both of them there were two 68 00:03:03,050 --> 00:03:00,360 people involved right two people 69 00:03:05,690 --> 00:03:03,060 involved yes men and women uh there was 70 00:03:08,270 --> 00:03:05,700 so somebody met them by a name of uh 71 00:03:10,369 --> 00:03:08,280 some weird name and he was he was 72 00:03:13,910 --> 00:03:10,379 actually living here on this planet he 73 00:03:17,690 --> 00:03:13,920 was an alien man uh living as a resident 74 00:03:20,210 --> 00:03:17,700 on this planet that they uh used as a as 75 00:03:24,110 --> 00:03:20,220 a contact and they sent messages through 76 00:03:25,850 --> 00:03:24,120 him uh he clearly he was of the alien 77 00:03:27,350 --> 00:03:25,860 Society because when they were all 78 00:03:29,449 --> 00:03:27,360 together they looked alike he was just 79 00:03:32,630 --> 00:03:29,459 wearing Earth's clothes he gave his name 80 00:03:35,229 --> 00:03:32,640 as Zur but that was only his name in the 81 00:03:38,570 --> 00:03:35,239 alien Society he had another common 82 00:03:40,789 --> 00:03:38,580 Portuguese name in in Portugal now now 83 00:03:42,289 --> 00:03:40,799 the interesting thing and we'll get 84 00:03:44,330 --> 00:03:42,299 maybe getting that a little bit and they 85 00:03:48,890 --> 00:03:44,340 can read it in the book this is on a 86 00:03:52,369 --> 00:03:48,900 later encounter uh the the whole idea of 87 00:03:54,770 --> 00:03:52,379 them transporting and levitating uh uh 88 00:03:57,110 --> 00:03:54,780 the car and the whole thing and then 89 00:03:59,570 --> 00:03:57,120 talking to these people and it was a man 90 00:04:01,910 --> 00:03:59,580 and a woman right yes man and woman uh 91 00:04:05,630 --> 00:04:01,920 the whole idea is that uh almost 92 00:04:09,130 --> 00:04:05,640 everything that we hear about uh in 93 00:04:12,830 --> 00:04:09,140 fiction actually happens oh yes yes 94 00:04:14,869 --> 00:04:12,840 in fact truth is so much Beyond I don't 95 00:04:18,110 --> 00:04:14,879 even like to read science fiction it's 96 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:18,120 just somebody's idea of an idea I I only 97 00:04:23,090 --> 00:04:19,680 like to read the truth and the truth 98 00:04:25,730 --> 00:04:23,100 actually is more is more rare and than 99 00:04:27,890 --> 00:04:25,740 anybody can imagine and in your research 100 00:04:30,350 --> 00:04:27,900 you've come across some great great 101 00:04:33,590 --> 00:04:30,360 stories over the years fantastic I've 102 00:04:36,890 --> 00:04:35,330 um they they had some guy helmets or 103 00:04:39,290 --> 00:04:36,900 something that they put on what was that 104 00:04:41,749 --> 00:04:39,300 about yes they uh they seated them in in 105 00:04:44,270 --> 00:04:41,759 big chairs and alongside of a console 106 00:04:46,189 --> 00:04:44,280 that filled much of the wall and then 107 00:04:47,930 --> 00:04:46,199 the aliens seated themselves in chairs 108 00:04:50,870 --> 00:04:47,940 facing them so there were four people in 109 00:04:52,730 --> 00:04:50,880 the room and they put helmet silvery 110 00:04:54,770 --> 00:04:52,740 looking helmets on their heads that had 111 00:04:57,530 --> 00:04:54,780 a blinking light on the top and bleaking 112 00:04:59,450 --> 00:04:57,540 later on the side uh some wires coming 113 00:05:02,570 --> 00:04:59,460 out that they plugged into the console 114 00:05:04,909 --> 00:05:02,580 and the aliens put similar helmets on 115 00:05:07,370 --> 00:05:04,919 their heads and after the helmets were 116 00:05:09,170 --> 00:05:07,380 on they they could open a conversation 117 00:05:11,150 --> 00:05:09,180 and they heard the conversation in 118 00:05:14,030 --> 00:05:11,160 Portuguese and their answers were 119 00:05:16,070 --> 00:05:14,040 translated by the console and into the 120 00:05:18,350 --> 00:05:16,080 alien language for the aliens now the 121 00:05:21,290 --> 00:05:18,360 interesting thing about this is when the 122 00:05:23,330 --> 00:05:21,300 alien spoke to the man the woman could 123 00:05:24,590 --> 00:05:23,340 hear the alien's voice speaking to men 124 00:05:26,510 --> 00:05:24,600 but she couldn't hear the translation 125 00:05:28,129 --> 00:05:26,520 furry earphones weren't working when 126 00:05:30,050 --> 00:05:28,139 that was happening when he turned to her 127 00:05:32,090 --> 00:05:30,060 her earphones worked that she could hear 128 00:05:34,370 --> 00:05:32,100 the translation in Portuguese and she 129 00:05:35,930 --> 00:05:34,380 could hear his voice in his language but 130 00:05:38,150 --> 00:05:35,940 the man couldn't hear the the 131 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:38,160 translation to her in Portuguese she 132 00:05:43,070 --> 00:05:39,840 could only hear her response it's kind 133 00:05:44,390 --> 00:05:43,080 of a selective uh things they probably 134 00:05:46,370 --> 00:05:44,400 couldn't figure it out I guess it was 135 00:05:48,110 --> 00:05:46,380 automatic I don't know it was all done 136 00:05:50,150 --> 00:05:48,120 Automatic by the big console there were 137 00:05:52,730 --> 00:05:50,160 blinking lights on the console she 138 00:05:55,909 --> 00:05:52,740 noticed that the round colored button 139 00:05:58,189 --> 00:05:55,919 like lights uh bleached when they talked 140 00:06:00,830 --> 00:05:58,199 and when the aliens spoke square button 141 00:06:05,330 --> 00:06:00,840 like the lights blink what kind of craft 142 00:06:08,029 --> 00:06:05,340 uh was this it was a deep domed uh diff 143 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:08,039 it was very very large it was yeah it 144 00:06:13,969 --> 00:06:10,440 was about 70 feet in diameter there was 145 00:06:16,310 --> 00:06:13,979 another car in that ship when there when 146 00:06:18,590 --> 00:06:16,320 they became aware of being inside when 147 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:18,600 they were after the light they there was 148 00:06:22,610 --> 00:06:20,280 total darkness they couldn't see a thing 149 00:06:24,890 --> 00:06:22,620 and then as the light slowly came on 150 00:06:27,950 --> 00:06:24,900 they could see that they were sitting in 151 00:06:31,129 --> 00:06:27,960 a hanger like room on a metal floor 152 00:06:32,450 --> 00:06:31,139 there was another car there and there 153 00:06:35,150 --> 00:06:32,460 was not nothing else in the room at the 154 00:06:37,370 --> 00:06:35,160 beginning and then a port opened in the 155 00:06:40,370 --> 00:06:37,380 ceiling and two men came down a ladder 156 00:06:43,129 --> 00:06:40,380 that ran along the wall and met them now 157 00:06:45,469 --> 00:06:43,139 this small well it's a small 70 foot 158 00:06:48,170 --> 00:06:45,479 diameter craft went someplace else with 159 00:06:51,110 --> 00:06:48,180 him where it went into another larger 160 00:06:54,409 --> 00:06:51,120 crab and it was in the larger craft when 161 00:06:57,050 --> 00:06:54,419 they left the smaller disc shaped trap 162 00:06:59,390 --> 00:06:57,060 the larger craft had several other discs 163 00:07:02,210 --> 00:06:59,400 of this size some bigger and some 164 00:07:04,850 --> 00:07:02,220 smaller in another bigger Hangar Bay 165 00:07:08,450 --> 00:07:04,860 than the one that their car was in so it 166 00:07:10,490 --> 00:07:08,460 was at a very large mother ship was also 167 00:07:13,610 --> 00:07:10,500 involved yeah and and the man who 168 00:07:15,850 --> 00:07:13,620 actually uh I guess took the lead uh 169 00:07:18,050 --> 00:07:15,860 investigating for the 170 00:07:20,270 --> 00:07:18,060 extraterrestrials I actually became very 171 00:07:22,670 --> 00:07:20,280 friendly with those people right my 172 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:22,680 friend a varic Airlines flight captain 173 00:07:27,110 --> 00:07:24,840 that was doing the interviewing uh 174 00:07:29,510 --> 00:07:27,120 became well quite well acquainted with 175 00:07:32,270 --> 00:07:29,520 her menial the man he never met the 176 00:07:34,909 --> 00:07:32,280 woman so never met and now you met the 177 00:07:37,670 --> 00:07:34,919 woman later or what no I I was looking 178 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:37,680 for the woman for years and just a 179 00:07:42,529 --> 00:07:40,319 couple years ago I found out that she 180 00:07:43,969 --> 00:07:42,539 was the prime contactee the man was 181 00:07:46,610 --> 00:07:43,979 interested Man by the way was a 182 00:07:49,129 --> 00:07:46,620 Jehovah's Witness Minister and when he 183 00:07:51,469 --> 00:07:49,139 became aware that they were aboard an 184 00:07:54,050 --> 00:07:51,479 alien Vehicles let's get them to throw 185 00:07:56,749 --> 00:07:54,060 in this next break because this is 186 00:07:59,689 --> 00:07:56,759 Wendell Stevens is our guest and uh 187 00:08:01,730 --> 00:07:59,699 Wendell was talking about uh the Jehovah 188 00:08:04,370 --> 00:08:01,740 Witness man he was very religious yes he 189 00:08:07,850 --> 00:08:04,380 was uh he He Was An Architect by trade 190 00:08:09,710 --> 00:08:07,860 but he is his main activity was as the 191 00:08:13,670 --> 00:08:09,720 minister of the Jehovah's Witness church 192 00:08:17,089 --> 00:08:13,680 and uh and he was a devout man and she 193 00:08:19,430 --> 00:08:17,099 was an attendee at the church also she 194 00:08:22,330 --> 00:08:19,440 wasn't as religious as her menu and as 195 00:08:25,490 --> 00:08:22,340 soon as he realized where he was he 196 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:25,500 subscribed to the belief advocated by 197 00:08:29,749 --> 00:08:27,780 many Christian churches that if they 198 00:08:32,570 --> 00:08:29,759 don't have a Jesus Christ they are from 199 00:08:34,969 --> 00:08:32,580 the other side so he immediately began 200 00:08:37,250 --> 00:08:34,979 to try it first of all to try to 201 00:08:40,130 --> 00:08:37,260 exercise the satanists and make him go 202 00:08:42,170 --> 00:08:40,140 away literally I'm praying to Jesus 203 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:42,180 saying to Jesus Christ he said to the 204 00:08:47,509 --> 00:08:45,120 blood of Jesus has power go away be gone 205 00:08:50,570 --> 00:08:47,519 Satanist leave me alone I'm I'm a simple 206 00:08:52,730 --> 00:08:50,580 man I've begone something like Jesus I 207 00:08:55,430 --> 00:08:52,740 beseech you from the name of you in the 208 00:08:57,590 --> 00:08:55,440 name of Jesus they'd be gone and the man 209 00:08:59,990 --> 00:08:57,600 the alien sat there and and let him go 210 00:09:01,430 --> 00:09:00,000 then after he tried after he failed the 211 00:09:03,949 --> 00:09:01,440 exercise and they didn't disappear 212 00:09:05,690 --> 00:09:03,959 didn't try to stop him let him go on and 213 00:09:07,970 --> 00:09:05,700 off he sat quietly and watched him and 214 00:09:09,829 --> 00:09:07,980 and then when they didn't disappear with 215 00:09:11,090 --> 00:09:09,839 the exorcism he began preaching to him 216 00:09:13,850 --> 00:09:11,100 he's going to convert them to 217 00:09:15,590 --> 00:09:13,860 Christianity and he tried hard to make 218 00:09:17,630 --> 00:09:15,600 them understand and yell and just sat 219 00:09:19,970 --> 00:09:17,640 there and looked at him he did this for 220 00:09:22,190 --> 00:09:19,980 over a half an hour until his voice 221 00:09:24,110 --> 00:09:22,200 started to break from effort he was he 222 00:09:26,509 --> 00:09:24,120 was preaching so hard that he became 223 00:09:28,850 --> 00:09:26,519 hoarse and he could hardly talk and when 224 00:09:30,110 --> 00:09:28,860 he got he reached the quiet stage the 225 00:09:32,870 --> 00:09:30,120 alien looked at him and said are you 226 00:09:34,970 --> 00:09:32,880 through and he says of course I can't 227 00:09:36,590 --> 00:09:34,980 even talk anymore and he Ali says then 228 00:09:38,329 --> 00:09:36,600 carefully he took all the points that he 229 00:09:40,670 --> 00:09:38,339 raised and trying to convert him and 230 00:09:42,470 --> 00:09:40,680 explained his position on those points 231 00:09:46,070 --> 00:09:42,480 that that he said that they didn't have 232 00:09:49,009 --> 00:09:46,080 a God that the the the creation is so 233 00:09:51,530 --> 00:09:49,019 much beyond the concept of a personified 234 00:09:53,990 --> 00:09:51,540 God that we can't we're pagans in the 235 00:09:55,970 --> 00:09:54,000 woods with our our ideas and they didn't 236 00:09:59,269 --> 00:09:55,980 have a Bible and they didn't have money 237 00:10:01,610 --> 00:09:59,279 and and a lot of things that that after 238 00:10:03,889 --> 00:10:01,620 listening to him for 15 or 20 minutes 239 00:10:07,610 --> 00:10:03,899 explaining their positions for her menu 240 00:10:09,230 --> 00:10:07,620 the the deal was witness Minister began 241 00:10:11,630 --> 00:10:09,240 to think about his own religion and 242 00:10:14,210 --> 00:10:11,640 thought at one point the alien mentioned 243 00:10:15,829 --> 00:10:14,220 that our we think that we we look at our 244 00:10:17,690 --> 00:10:15,839 religion as a religion of love that's 245 00:10:18,949 --> 00:10:17,700 not really religion of love he said you 246 00:10:20,690 --> 00:10:18,959 go to church because you're afraid of 247 00:10:22,670 --> 00:10:20,700 the devil you got a victim hanging on 248 00:10:23,590 --> 00:10:22,680 the cross believing it and and all kinds 249 00:10:25,790 --> 00:10:23,600 of 250 00:10:28,130 --> 00:10:25,800 followers or stoned to death is that a 251 00:10:30,110 --> 00:10:28,140 religion of love and harina finally 252 00:10:32,590 --> 00:10:30,120 agreed with the alien and gave up his 253 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:32,600 religion and went to teaching yoga 254 00:10:37,610 --> 00:10:35,100 right right yeah yeah you know it's 255 00:10:39,829 --> 00:10:37,620 interesting that uh they discussed 256 00:10:42,230 --> 00:10:39,839 Theology and religion with the 257 00:10:44,449 --> 00:10:42,240 Extraterrestrial and they actually uh 258 00:10:47,870 --> 00:10:44,459 took time to explain each of the points 259 00:10:49,910 --> 00:10:47,880 yeah and then after after this careful 260 00:10:51,949 --> 00:10:49,920 discussion and hermeneo is blown away he 261 00:10:53,509 --> 00:10:51,959 sat there silently but when the alien 262 00:10:55,069 --> 00:10:53,519 finished the alien then turned to Bianca 263 00:10:57,230 --> 00:10:55,079 and he says do you all these people on 264 00:11:02,470 --> 00:10:57,240 Earth believe like this man she says not 265 00:11:05,329 --> 00:11:02,480 all he said thank goodness for that 266 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:05,339 he said he told her he said you ought to 267 00:11:11,210 --> 00:11:07,079 talk to him a little bit about this he's 268 00:11:14,870 --> 00:11:11,220 a he's a little rabbit so so this man uh 269 00:11:18,710 --> 00:11:14,880 the Extraterrestrial uh he actually uh 270 00:11:22,670 --> 00:11:18,720 was was quite uh communicative and in a 271 00:11:25,130 --> 00:11:22,680 friendly friendly way yes and actually I 272 00:11:27,769 --> 00:11:25,140 had a lot of respect for uh not respect 273 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:27,779 but I mean he he told Bianca he said I 274 00:11:33,710 --> 00:11:29,700 like talking to you you make sense this 275 00:11:36,530 --> 00:11:33,720 guy doesn't now Bianca I actually got 276 00:11:39,110 --> 00:11:36,540 other messages from from him later yes 277 00:11:41,030 --> 00:11:39,120 uh she was he asked her she asked him if 278 00:11:43,190 --> 00:11:41,040 she could contact him again and he said 279 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:43,200 I'll prepare you so he set her down in 280 00:11:46,670 --> 00:11:45,240 another chair and he got a device he put 281 00:11:47,990 --> 00:11:46,680 it on her head and he put his hands on 282 00:11:51,009 --> 00:11:48,000 her shoulder stood behind her and 283 00:11:53,269 --> 00:11:51,019 operated some equipment some buttons 284 00:11:55,310 --> 00:11:53,279 manipulating the device was on her head 285 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:55,320 and he said now this is going to hurt a 286 00:11:59,090 --> 00:11:57,060 little but it won't be too painful is 287 00:12:02,870 --> 00:11:59,100 that okay and she said go ahead it's 288 00:12:05,569 --> 00:12:02,880 okay and it did make uh her head uh 289 00:12:07,790 --> 00:12:05,579 resonate a little bit like uh a buzzing 290 00:12:09,949 --> 00:12:07,800 in her head for a short time and when he 291 00:12:11,630 --> 00:12:09,959 stopped it he said now he said your 292 00:12:14,750 --> 00:12:11,640 programmed he said you will be able to 293 00:12:16,490 --> 00:12:14,760 receive our telepathic transmissions and 294 00:12:18,410 --> 00:12:16,500 you'll be able to respond she says will 295 00:12:21,410 --> 00:12:18,420 I be able to call you he says well not 296 00:12:24,110 --> 00:12:21,420 really but I can call you anytime and so 297 00:12:25,970 --> 00:12:24,120 after that they commuted with David with 298 00:12:27,949 --> 00:12:25,980 her telepathically and would send her to 299 00:12:30,650 --> 00:12:27,959 a rendezvous point where they would come 300 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:30,660 and land and pick her up and actually 301 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:32,880 this happened four or five times seven 302 00:12:36,650 --> 00:12:35,100 times seven times I know there were more 303 00:12:39,949 --> 00:12:36,660 after that but I have a record of seven 304 00:12:41,990 --> 00:12:39,959 yeah seven times and each each of these 305 00:12:44,990 --> 00:12:42,000 things were kind of interesting I I like 306 00:12:48,530 --> 00:12:45,000 the uh story about evidently uh Bianca 307 00:12:50,509 --> 00:12:48,540 till it was okay to contact the Press uh 308 00:12:53,090 --> 00:12:50,519 yeah or how could the Press find out 309 00:12:54,829 --> 00:12:53,100 about it she first uh uh when she 310 00:12:57,470 --> 00:12:54,839 started telling about what have he had 311 00:12:59,150 --> 00:12:57,480 no concept of UFOs at the beginning so 312 00:13:01,129 --> 00:12:59,160 she began to tell a few people and they 313 00:13:03,350 --> 00:13:01,139 said oh there's a group in Sao Paulo 314 00:13:05,090 --> 00:13:03,360 that studies that and they gave her a 315 00:13:07,490 --> 00:13:05,100 name of somebody that had a radio 316 00:13:09,110 --> 00:13:07,500 program like yours and she contacted 317 00:13:11,389 --> 00:13:09,120 them they invited her to come tell her 318 00:13:12,829 --> 00:13:11,399 story when she got to the house she 319 00:13:15,290 --> 00:13:12,839 found that there was a half a dozen 320 00:13:16,970 --> 00:13:15,300 people from the organization waiting 321 00:13:20,090 --> 00:13:16,980 there to hear it and they told their 322 00:13:22,610 --> 00:13:20,100 story and and then they all wanted to be 323 00:13:25,610 --> 00:13:22,620 introduced to the extraterrestrials and 324 00:13:26,990 --> 00:13:25,620 so in the next context he said I have a 325 00:13:28,610 --> 00:13:27,000 number of people want to meet you is 326 00:13:30,889 --> 00:13:28,620 that possible can they meet you sometime 327 00:13:32,269 --> 00:13:30,899 he says well he says close personal 328 00:13:33,949 --> 00:13:32,279 friend but not those people you're 329 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:33,959 talking to they're not your friends they 330 00:13:39,290 --> 00:13:37,200 are exploiting you so she said well can 331 00:13:41,449 --> 00:13:39,300 I bring friends and he said of course 332 00:13:44,389 --> 00:13:41,459 but he said we're going to have to do 333 00:13:46,190 --> 00:13:44,399 this in a less populated area she lived 334 00:13:47,750 --> 00:13:46,200 in Rio de Janeiro he said you're going 335 00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:47,760 to have to we're going to have to do 336 00:13:52,610 --> 00:13:50,160 this in a in a remote area where there's 337 00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:52,620 little chance for interference so she 338 00:13:57,110 --> 00:13:54,480 then went to great things to find find a 339 00:13:59,810 --> 00:13:57,120 piece of property many kilometers out of 340 00:14:01,790 --> 00:13:59,820 away from cities finally arranged to buy 341 00:14:03,650 --> 00:14:01,800 it built a little Hut on there sent her 342 00:14:05,269 --> 00:14:03,660 father out to guard the property when 343 00:14:07,009 --> 00:14:05,279 she was there she worked the full work 344 00:14:09,290 --> 00:14:07,019 week and then take the weekends out to 345 00:14:12,290 --> 00:14:09,300 work on the HUD on the property it was 346 00:14:15,069 --> 00:14:12,300 invalided and he could barely walk and 347 00:14:17,569 --> 00:14:15,079 as when the Hut was nearly finished 348 00:14:19,790 --> 00:14:17,579 a brilliant light appeared over the 349 00:14:21,410 --> 00:14:19,800 house and it was so bright that the 350 00:14:22,970 --> 00:14:21,420 light came right through the ceiling all 351 00:14:25,009 --> 00:14:22,980 the way to the floor illuminated 352 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:25,019 everything inside he went out to take a 353 00:14:29,569 --> 00:14:26,760 look and the object was hovering above 354 00:14:32,090 --> 00:14:29,579 and then it flew away and and his 355 00:14:34,069 --> 00:14:32,100 debilities were completely healed he was 356 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:34,079 perfectly healthy after that so they 357 00:14:38,150 --> 00:14:35,940 were they were very very thankful for 358 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:38,160 the help that was done but it was he was 359 00:14:42,290 --> 00:14:40,139 particularly grateful he had his doubts 360 00:14:43,550 --> 00:14:42,300 about UFOs and what they were doing here 361 00:14:44,930 --> 00:14:43,560 and that sort of thing up to this point 362 00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:44,940 after that he became a pretty strong 363 00:14:51,530 --> 00:14:48,000 advocate of it I I could understand yeah 364 00:14:54,290 --> 00:14:51,540 uh now now why do you think they uh 365 00:14:56,389 --> 00:14:54,300 chose Bianca in the first place so that 366 00:14:58,069 --> 00:14:56,399 wasn't just they were making routine 367 00:14:59,930 --> 00:14:58,079 investigation I mean I know this would 368 00:15:02,269 --> 00:14:59,940 be conjecture on your part but I mean 369 00:15:04,790 --> 00:15:02,279 and there was something uh you know they 370 00:15:06,230 --> 00:15:04,800 you know we we identify certain people 371 00:15:07,610 --> 00:15:06,240 and other people we don't you think 372 00:15:10,009 --> 00:15:07,620 something like that happened or what 373 00:15:13,790 --> 00:15:10,019 well I don't think so because she had no 374 00:15:16,129 --> 00:15:13,800 concept of UFOs uh the man that was 375 00:15:19,250 --> 00:15:16,139 writing they weren't related but she was 376 00:15:22,370 --> 00:15:19,260 a a patron in his Jehovah Witness church 377 00:15:24,170 --> 00:15:22,380 not the strongest supporter but went to 378 00:15:26,210 --> 00:15:24,180 church regularly to his church and they 379 00:15:30,829 --> 00:15:26,220 were going he was going on business to 380 00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:30,839 uh uh Villa Horizonte and she was going 381 00:15:33,889 --> 00:15:32,639 to see some friends in Bella Horizon so 382 00:15:35,930 --> 00:15:33,899 they happened to be riding in the same 383 00:15:38,629 --> 00:15:35,940 car and he was doing the driving her car 384 00:15:40,569 --> 00:15:38,639 which was a little carbon gear and uh 385 00:15:44,689 --> 00:15:40,579 and so I mean 386 00:15:47,509 --> 00:15:44,699 Bianca uh had later the Press actually 387 00:15:49,850 --> 00:15:47,519 got involved uh or how did that come 388 00:15:51,889 --> 00:15:49,860 about well when she went to see the UFO 389 00:15:53,629 --> 00:15:51,899 group that was a new case and it was 390 00:15:55,670 --> 00:15:53,639 quite spectacular so they immediately 391 00:15:57,829 --> 00:15:55,680 reported it to the press and reporters 392 00:15:59,389 --> 00:15:57,839 wanted to talk to her too and they 393 00:16:01,189 --> 00:15:59,399 started telling her about other cases 394 00:16:02,990 --> 00:16:01,199 which interested her because she didn't 395 00:16:05,449 --> 00:16:03,000 know anything about any cases up to this 396 00:16:07,069 --> 00:16:05,459 point so then she began to follow up on 397 00:16:10,610 --> 00:16:07,079 some of the names that they gave her and 398 00:16:12,769 --> 00:16:10,620 and finally ran into a legitimate UFO 399 00:16:16,210 --> 00:16:12,779 investigators down there that gave her 400 00:16:18,590 --> 00:16:16,220 more information than so she then began 401 00:16:20,150 --> 00:16:18,600 signaling for Karen to come back she 402 00:16:21,470 --> 00:16:20,160 wanted to ask him more questions and 403 00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:21,480 that was that was the name of the Union 404 00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,240 that was the the Alias said you my name 405 00:16:30,790 --> 00:16:26,639 is Carrot my blood to show itself on the 406 00:16:34,069 --> 00:16:30,800 chest says I am Karen now now uh I guess 407 00:16:35,990 --> 00:16:34,079 he never you told one story about maybe 408 00:16:37,249 --> 00:16:36,000 he was a little late from what time they 409 00:16:39,290 --> 00:16:37,259 thought they'd be there and people got 410 00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:39,300 tired of waiting yeah that's right they 411 00:16:42,350 --> 00:16:40,980 they expected to be there by eight 412 00:16:44,569 --> 00:16:42,360 o'clock in the morning and this happened 413 00:16:46,730 --> 00:16:44,579 about 11 45 at night and they had 414 00:16:48,949 --> 00:16:46,740 another two or three hours to drive and 415 00:16:51,050 --> 00:16:48,959 then they never showed the the man had 416 00:16:53,030 --> 00:16:51,060 an appointment and they never showed and 417 00:16:55,189 --> 00:16:53,040 they were aboard the evil spacecraft for 418 00:16:57,410 --> 00:16:55,199 three days and two nights of course all 419 00:16:59,269 --> 00:16:57,420 the apartments failed because nobody 420 00:17:01,850 --> 00:16:59,279 knew what happened to him until they got 421 00:17:03,829 --> 00:17:01,860 back rested up and then started looking 422 00:17:05,809 --> 00:17:03,839 around to see who else knew anything 423 00:17:07,789 --> 00:17:05,819 about this sort of phenomenon because it 424 00:17:09,289 --> 00:17:07,799 was an entirely alien to them at the 425 00:17:11,689 --> 00:17:09,299 beginning when you you've written 18 426 00:17:14,150 --> 00:17:11,699 books anybody else from this planet or 427 00:17:16,210 --> 00:17:14,160 is this the only uh incident that they 428 00:17:18,289 --> 00:17:16,220 say they're from this particular Planet 429 00:17:20,329 --> 00:17:18,299 I've never never heard of another one 430 00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:20,339 from this planet and in over a hundred 431 00:17:24,829 --> 00:17:22,679 cases there are only two that might be 432 00:17:27,350 --> 00:17:24,839 coming from the same Sun system and not 433 00:17:29,630 --> 00:17:27,360 necessarily the same Planet all arrests 434 00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:29,640 were different from all the others if my 435 00:17:33,830 --> 00:17:31,679 sampling is representative that means 436 00:17:35,150 --> 00:17:33,840 that 98 of our visitors are all 437 00:17:37,610 --> 00:17:35,160 different from all the others before 438 00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:37,620 that this indicates some kind of